Sunday, September 25, 2011

Faster than light neutrinos, an ether explanation

In looking for more discussion on the recently released paper, i came across this quote from Tesla.

"What is the ether and why is it so difficult to detect it? I reflected on this matter for a seriously long time and here are the outcomes I have been led to: I think that all the contradictions about whether the ether exists or not are the result of wrong interpretation of ether's properties. The ether has always been presented as an aeroform environment [gaseous]. That was the essential mistake. The ether has a very strong density. It is known that of more dense a substance, the higher is the speed of wave propagation within it. When comparing acoustic speed in the air and the light speed I have drawn a conclusion that ether density is several thousand times higher than air density. It is not the ether that is aeroform [gaseous] but the material world is an aeroform to the ether!" ~Nikola Tesla


Essentially when a media is compressed the speed of wave accelerates (need to double check but that is my recollection) it does also make intuitive sense, the closer the substrate is together the stronger the tension and the faster the propagation of waves in that media.

The blogsphere is pointing out that the result from CERN is in contradiction with observed deep space neutrinos from the so called 1987a supernova observation where the neutrinos and the photons arrived at the same time, contradicting that the neutrinos would be travelling faster than light.

The main difference is that in the CERN experiment, the neutrinos TRAVEL THROUGH THE EARTH CRUST. So here is the insight, a compressed media in my elastic mental model exhibits a faster speed of propagation for waves through it, so the neutrinos would be travelling faster. Does it mean that they would travel faster than light in that media, not necessarily. Of course light cannot travel through earth but neutrinos can without interaction with the "particles" but still through the media that is underlying those particles. In other words, if the speed of light THROUGH VACUUM is Cv then the hypothetical speed of light THROUGH COMPRESSED MEDIA is Cm. We may well have Cm>Cv trivially by the compressed wave propagation.

Simply stating that the speed of neutrinos in media is higher than the speed of light in vacuum.

If something like this is true then the implications that I can think of are ;

1/ This is strictly not speaking FTL. Nothing is FTL as light is the 'lighter' wave that can propagate and therefore the faster. This translates to 'in a give media the fastest speed is the speed of light. "

2/ The speed of light is in fact media dependent invalidating the second postulate of SR (independence of observer/emitter). Something that seems rather trivial to verify.

3/ It completely depends on a elastic media interpretation of sub-quark reality.

4/ east/west west/east experiments would show the same effect.

5/ It does mean faster than light IN VACUUM propagation. You can in fact beat "electromagnetic" propagation by running a parallel line with compressed media.

Things that still make me go hmmm are actually around why do neutrinos exhibit this behavior and not say electromagnetic waves through compressed media. My intuition guides me to the vibration modes.

I will be reading blog coverage of the interpretation of this experiment with glee over the next few weeks/months/years.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dear Marc;
Are you familiar with the work of Australian economist
Steve Keen. The focus of his work, based on Minsky is
the role of money and debt in the economy. His website is DEBT WATCH. Do have a look.

Marcf said...

Yes I am familiar with Keen. I worked on Andresen (keen collaborator) back a couple years ago. But the link to neutrinos feels ... tenuous.